Wow 🤩🤩 I am listening to him first time He has such a razor sharp intelligence... Unbelievable He said the most deep thing so intellectually without a strory an example or a joke . Which i find to be literally impossible He was definitely enlighten.... May we have this world full of J. Krishnamurti.......
Enlightment is something you do at this moment not something you have or not have or had or you will get. If you observe it closely Enlightment is something you do at the present moment every moment. Think about it
Areté i am glad. Since if existence was anything but beauty or love , life would have been meaningless. I am so hopeful to hear this words from you guys
Am forever grateful for this person to have visited our world and I got to hear all this EXTRAORDINARY explanations Thank you all for keeping his words alive till today👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Mind is a bundle of thoughts. Go to the source of the thoughts. From where does all thoughts originate? This is the question which Ramana Maharishi asks. The answer is - Consciousness is the source. This consciousness is unlimited according to Indian Vedantha. This Cosmic consciousness is God according to Vedas. Human consciousness is a reflected consciousness like the moon light is a reflection of sunlight.
Thoughts emerge from the stored memories in the brain when triggered by a particular sensation. For example, you hate Mr. A but not Mr. B. When a trigger arrives due to Mr. A, thoughts emerge when different parts of your brain are mapped (your bad memories of Mr. A) to produce a particular thought (like Mr. A is bad) and then an action follows depending on the nature and intensity of those thoughts. Thoughts and image appear in the so-called field of consciousness (aka mind), and you experience something (ex hatred towards Mr. A). When you are unconscious, MR. A can do anything to you, but you will not feel or experience anything because the field of consciousness is not active. Whatever thoughts are presented to the consciousness, that is what you will experience. So, your brain (memories etc) is crucial for your unique experience, and you need to be conscious. If you don't have bad memories or if you carefully erase bad memories of Mr. A, you will not be able to present those hateful thoughts to the consciousness to experience something. The pure Consciousness (similar to the Brahman or pure Atman)), as defined in the Vedanta, is similar to the mind consciousness without any content. It is called the silent witness. It is like a blank slate. It does not experience anything until you add content to it by building memories in your brain by means of DNA, lifestyle, preconditioning, whatsapp university, and religious affiliations). Then it acts like the regular mind, thinking that it is great, all others are wrong, your culture is great, others are evil, anyone who opposes your view is anti Indian etc). That is why the Vedanta says get rid of your Ego (content) and realize the real YOU. If you accumulate wrong information, your brain will generate wrong thoughts and output and that is presented to the field of consciousness to experience something. Thoughts do not originate in the consciousness, but they are illumined in the field of conscience to experience something. Thoughts originate in the brain. According to the original Vedanta (3,500 years ago), the concept of creator and Gods are rejected outright. Unfortunately, the later traditions of the Bhakthi movement created many alluring stories about various Gods etc in the Puranas (1,200 years ago) because many of these big pandits could not digest the rejection of creator. They corrupted the original Vedanta and Upanishads by inserting creator God everywhere. These are the ones who equate the Brahman with Narayana, Vishnu, Shiva. According to the Vedanta, the Brahman is unknowable, unthinkable, indescribable and you cannot even think of Brahman. No attributes at all and BEYOND the mind. Given all of this, your God cannot be this Brahman because your Gods have various attributes. Of course, you can imagine anything you want because you like something so much, but that does not mean that that is what is in the Vedanta.
Brain is physical. Mind is logical. The construction of the logic ... The algorithm of the logic is highly layered and recursive. The data structure that goes with the algorithm is derived from 3 primary methods. 1. Learning 2. Experiencing n 3. Imagination. There is another term: Manas मनस। That is strong hard emotional plugin upon the mind's algorithm.
Great discussion between imagination and practicality ! I know , imagination is a wild geese , yet beyond the borders of mental periphery , the love is static , permanent and all inclusive , gods and demons are both equal there.
To admit that love is in the brain is to admit that it is limited by that brain. He is like a Platonist espousing an ideal form, an ideal of "love" in this case which precedes and transcends the individual brain it exists in. Who can believe this? And why would the idea of the limitations imposed on love by the capacity of the individual brain be so hard to accept? Love is a word and therefore is what mediates the world for us and is impossible to exist beyond the capacity of the person.
I think there is one part of the brain which remains untouched by the conditioned part and so not limited and which can perceive the activities of the conditioned part objectively.Universal love, compassion,goodness, choice less awareness belong to this part. An enlightened person is out of the influence of the conditioned part by choice less awareness of the narrowness of bondages created by the conditioned part.
I think we should be fairly clear from the beginning as to what is the intention of this gathering. It should not, I feel, degenerate in any way into a mere intellectual exchange of words and ideas or an exposition of one's own point of view. We are not dealing with ideas, because ideas are merely the expression of one's own conditioning, one's own limitations. To argue over ideas, who is right and who is wrong, is surely utterly futile. Rather let us explore our problems together. Instead of being lookers-on, as at a game being played, let us take part, each one of us, in these discussions and see if we can penetrate very deeply into our problems - not only the problems of the individual but of the collective. I feel it should be possible for us to go beyond the mutterings, the chattering of the mind, beyond all worldly demands and influences, and to discover for ourselves what is true. And in discovering what is true we shall lie able to confront, to be with, the many problems which each one of us has.
6:59 Is love within the brain? I/we don't know what you call love or compassion or whatever. (I can create a romantic concept of it mentally, but I suppose that concept is not the thing, right?!) So how can I answer whether it is in the brain or outside it?! & why does it matter?
If you answer something in a yes, it means you have known it to be such, the speaker is agreeing with what you have read and believed and then you answer yes, which is of no use, because it doesn't bring a radical change. Don't agree or disagree.
This is where philosophy and biology lag behind maths , there is no definition of fear, afraid,loneliness,sorrow ,thought and hence here there were lot of ambiguous statements . So better will be to construct mathematics of brain , then it will be clearly understandable
Do you know what love is, is love an objective reality to you, or just an idea, a concept in your brain that you identify with as love? Is love tangible, a fact, like violence, lust, hunger?
If you expect a 25 year old to behave and function as a 75 year old, then there is something wrong there. The brain remains the same regardless of the age or size, but rather the capability to form internal connections and to utilise those same very connections, is what grows
So if Love is not personal and it is not of the brain then the human brain must be personal. I see Crows brain or the dogs brain is also personal and the love and tricks they perform is for getting a treat. What about the universal brain? Is there something like that? If it is there then it must be operating universally, not favoring any particular part of the universe and love maybe it’s nature. To call it the universal mind or universal brain has no meaning as it must operate through the particular mind/brain.
Often the talks with the scientists are better to listen to. K goes into the nature of the mind in one of the talks with David Bohm that I have just listened to.
Brain is conditioned and limited, everything in the brain is conditioned (thought , memmory and imaginations). Mind is unlimited and free so definitely it is outside the brain.be aware of the conditionigs of the brain and look at movements always without an observer.when brain is become aware of its conditionigs and realize 'what is actual' then may be mind become available to the brain.
U all talking about brain and mind as they represnt who and what u are,they are yust energies of informations and images runing at u non stop,but u are none of those,u yust are,nothing else nothing more.
@@Last.Dark.Emperor sir definitely information stored in memmory and it's conditionings determines how we think and act. Knowledge is limited so thought is always limited thus all our actions are limited and contradictory. To understand life we should aware of our conditionings observe the thought and it's movements . By negating what is not comes what is. Mind is common to all human beings it is full and unlimited.
Observing without an observer. As K. likes to often question the listener - is it possible? He has to make this distinction, a junction point / sign post along the journey - together. For those who are unable to observe without the observer, how can they travel along? The best they can do is revisit the dialog, when they are capable. This is just one of his 'is it possible'? At each of his junction points, this is true. It's amusing to listen to the whole dialog. But one must be honest and accept - one is not travelling with K. One has limitations, being aware of that limitation... in that one instance - one gas grasped - a bit. One can take years and years - or.... Let me rewind K's dialogue, once more. 🐒phew...
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I am adicted to this man💛
If I am not wrong that are you Deepak from new delhi 😊
Don't worry ... you've addicted to good thing not going to harm you .... surely help you
😅which is Against him.
Good addiction
I, too, am.....and helplessly so.
What an extraordinary person and what mind blasting teachings, grateful to the team who has worked to release this video for public
Aren't you religious because his teaching is seek yourself.
@@pranamjshetty9658 what's something to do with religion here ?
I didn't get it. Can you explain me, what is mind?
I love this old wise ,humble man
He was a real yogi🙏🙏🙏
Wow 🤩🤩
I am listening to him first time
He has such a razor sharp intelligence... Unbelievable
He said the most deep thing so intellectually without a strory an example or a joke .
Which i find to be literally impossible
He was definitely enlighten....
May we have this world full of J. Krishnamurti.......
He is a great teacher
Master
What did he teach?
This guy is enlightened
So you think enlightenment is a destination.
@@clodhopper-dodo enlightenment is a journey
Enlightenment is a point.
@@shahbazshah5669 enlightenment comes from present moments observed consciously along our spiritual journey to truth. 😂were all right
Enlightment is something you do at this moment not something you have or not have or had or you will get. If you observe it closely Enlightment is something you do at the present moment every moment. Think about it
Love is existence, love is reality, love is limitless ❤️
True.
Did you really came to this point?
@@Soultzzz yes
Areté i am glad. Since if existence was anything but beauty or love , life would have been meaningless.
I am so hopeful to hear this words from you guys
What is Love?
Am forever grateful for this person to have visited our world and I got to hear all this EXTRAORDINARY explanations
Thank you all for keeping his words alive till today👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Mind is a bundle of thoughts. Go to the source of the thoughts. From where does all thoughts originate? This is the question which Ramana Maharishi asks. The answer is - Consciousness is the source. This consciousness is unlimited according to Indian Vedantha. This Cosmic consciousness is God according to Vedas. Human consciousness is a reflected consciousness like the moon light is a reflection of sunlight.
Thoughts emerge from the stored memories in the brain when triggered by a particular sensation. For example, you hate Mr. A but not Mr. B. When a trigger arrives due to Mr. A, thoughts emerge when different parts of your brain are mapped (your bad memories of Mr. A) to produce a particular thought (like Mr. A is bad) and then an action follows depending on the nature and intensity of those thoughts. Thoughts and image appear in the so-called field of consciousness (aka mind), and you experience something (ex hatred towards Mr. A). When you are unconscious, MR. A can do anything to you, but you will not feel or experience anything because the field of consciousness is not active. Whatever thoughts are presented to the consciousness, that is what you will experience. So, your brain (memories etc) is crucial for your unique experience, and you need to be conscious. If you don't have bad memories or if you carefully erase bad memories of Mr. A, you will not be able to present those hateful thoughts to the consciousness to experience something.
The pure Consciousness (similar to the Brahman or pure Atman)), as defined in the Vedanta, is similar to the mind consciousness without any content. It is called the silent witness. It is like a blank slate. It does not experience anything until you add content to it by building memories in your brain by means of DNA, lifestyle, preconditioning, whatsapp university, and religious affiliations). Then it acts like the regular mind, thinking that it is great, all others are wrong, your culture is great, others are evil, anyone who opposes your view is anti Indian etc). That is why the Vedanta says get rid of your Ego (content) and realize the real YOU. If you accumulate wrong information, your brain will generate wrong thoughts and output and that is presented to the field of consciousness to experience something.
Thoughts do not originate in the consciousness, but they are illumined in the field of conscience to experience something. Thoughts originate in the brain.
According to the original Vedanta (3,500 years ago), the concept of creator and Gods are rejected outright. Unfortunately, the later traditions of the Bhakthi movement created many alluring stories about various Gods etc in the Puranas (1,200 years ago) because many of these big pandits could not digest the rejection of creator. They corrupted the original Vedanta and Upanishads by inserting creator God everywhere. These are the ones who equate the Brahman with Narayana, Vishnu, Shiva. According to the Vedanta, the Brahman is unknowable, unthinkable, indescribable and you cannot even think of Brahman. No attributes at all and BEYOND the mind. Given all of this, your God cannot be this Brahman because your Gods have various attributes. Of course, you can imagine anything you want because you like something so much, but that does not mean that that is what is in the Vedanta.
He glowing
Brain is physical. Mind is logical. The construction of the logic ... The algorithm of the logic is highly layered and recursive. The data structure that goes with the algorithm is derived from 3 primary methods. 1. Learning 2. Experiencing n 3. Imagination.
There is another term: Manas मनस।
That is strong hard emotional plugin upon the mind's algorithm.
Thank you.very much for uploading.
Every spech of j.k. sir is a spark for right path in life.
I'm addicted to
his teachings
Grato pelo discurso. Hoje , é mais necessário que nunca.
Just two words . Love you 😘
Waheguru ji ..🙏🙏 ❤️🙏🙏
The mind is an echo chamber within consciousness
Gratitude 🙏
Addicted to this guy's voice!
Listening to him is meditation
Great discussion between imagination and practicality !
I know , imagination is a wild geese , yet beyond the borders of mental periphery , the love is static , permanent and all inclusive , gods and demons are both equal there.
The word practicality ego's pet way of defending any situation. Practicality is different on different occasions, places and time. How elusive!
Mind is the activity of conciousness
Nice lecture, this is the very deep lecture 🙏
actual God,,,,😊🙏
To admit that love is in the brain is to admit that it is limited by that brain. He is like a Platonist espousing an ideal form, an ideal of "love" in this case which precedes and transcends the individual brain it exists in. Who can believe this? And why would the idea of the limitations imposed on love by the capacity of the individual brain be so hard to accept? Love is a word and therefore is what mediates the world for us and is impossible to exist beyond the capacity of the person.
Very poor argumentation...
My friend love has its own flow
Thank you so much😇
K: "The beauty is there where "you"("I") is not".
The brain is physical apparatus and Mind is intellect, Mind illuminates the brain.
The mind is thought.
🙏🏼💙✌🏼
I think there is one part of the brain which remains untouched by the conditioned part and so not limited and which can perceive the activities of the conditioned part objectively.Universal love, compassion,goodness, choice less awareness belong to this part. An enlightened person is out of the influence of the conditioned part by choice less awareness of the narrowness of bondages created by the conditioned part.
Good luck
Mind with the brain, not brain with the mind. woah
The mind is always out of the Brain...e.g. Brain is the CPU whereas the mind acts as an input and output devices...(hope it helps)
thanks but I'll listen to krish
@@surrealdejavu7360 but respond to this? Why?
@@surrealdejavu7360 wise decision, my friend. What is outside the brain is hair on the scalp if you are lucky.
Unlimited can't experience something limited
Where can i find the full video of this please?
I think we should be fairly clear from the beginning as to what is the intention of this gathering. It should not, I feel, degenerate in any way into a mere intellectual exchange of words and ideas or an exposition of one's own point of view. We are not dealing with ideas, because ideas are merely the expression of one's own conditioning, one's own limitations. To argue over ideas, who is right and who is wrong, is surely utterly futile. Rather let us explore our problems together. Instead of being lookers-on, as at a game being played, let us take part, each one of us, in these discussions and see if we can penetrate very deeply into our problems - not only the problems of the individual but of the collective. I feel it should be possible for us to go beyond the mutterings, the chattering of the mind, beyond all worldly demands and influences, and to discover for ourselves what is true. And in discovering what is true we shall lie able to confront, to be with, the many problems which each one of us has.
6:59 Is love within the brain?
I/we don't know what you call love or compassion or whatever. (I can create a romantic concept of it mentally, but I suppose that concept is not the thing, right?!) So how can I answer whether it is in the brain or outside it?! & why does it matter?
The brain has existed far longer than 15,000 years
🙏🙏🙏
If you answer something in a yes, it means you have known it to be such, the speaker is agreeing with what you have read and believed and then you answer yes, which is of no use, because it doesn't bring a radical change. Don't agree or disagree.
I didn't quite get what he meant by mind to know the mind and not the brain what was that pls explain elaborate
Potete mettere sottotitoli in italiano? Non conosco l'inglese....
Hi Lorena - we have 190 videos translated into Italian, please see them here: ruclips.net/p/PL1n30s-LKus73rkQQK4ASIKTlMXX2BZRr
This is where philosophy and biology lag behind maths , there is no definition of fear, afraid,loneliness,sorrow ,thought and hence here there were lot of ambiguous statements . So better will be to construct mathematics of brain , then it will be clearly understandable
Do you know what love is, is love an objective reality to you, or just an idea, a concept in your brain that you identify with as love? Is love tangible, a fact, like violence, lust, hunger?
and why love can be turned into hate ?
What about a small child's brain- the mind is realized therefore as we grow ?
Mind is accumulation of information, same as the body, an accumulation of food. We are not mind or body. We are only a witness of mindbody.
If you expect a 25 year old to behave and function as a 75 year old, then there is something wrong there. The brain remains the same regardless of the age or size, but rather the capability to form internal connections and to utilise those same very connections, is what grows
@@kevingronemeier6646 good reply ,,simple but nice explanation ation
Let's make a theory
So if Love is not personal and it is not of the brain then the human brain must be personal. I see Crows brain or the dogs brain is also personal and the love and tricks they perform is for getting a treat.
What about the universal brain? Is there something like that? If it is there then it must be operating universally, not favoring any particular part of the universe and love maybe it’s nature. To call it the universal mind or universal brain has no meaning as it must operate through the particular mind/brain.
Who, what ,is the mind.?
Mind exist at all
Often the talks with the scientists are better to listen to. K goes into the nature of the mind in one of the talks with David Bohm that I have just listened to.
Can you tell me which talk you are talking about????
I am k, nothing is the same
Bombay. I was in Bombay in 1956. what a sh*thole it was, nearly got killed.
Brain is conditioned and limited, everything in the brain is conditioned (thought , memmory and imaginations).
Mind is unlimited and free so definitely it is outside the brain.be aware of the conditionigs of the brain and look at movements always without an observer.when brain is become aware of its conditionigs and realize 'what is actual' then may be mind become available to the brain.
U all talking about brain and mind as they represnt who and what u are,they are yust energies of informations and images runing at u non stop,but u are none of those,u yust are,nothing else nothing more.
@@Last.Dark.Emperor sir definitely information stored in memmory and it's conditionings determines how we think and act. Knowledge is limited so thought is always limited thus all our actions are limited and contradictory. To understand life we should aware of our conditionings observe the thought and it's movements . By negating what is not comes what is. Mind is common to all human beings it is full and unlimited.
@@100basilmat Yes but who and what are u?nothing else is there accept u and oness.
Observing without an observer. As K. likes to often question the listener - is it possible?
He has to make this distinction, a junction point / sign post along the journey - together.
For those who are unable to observe without the observer, how can they travel along? The best they can do is revisit the dialog, when they are capable. This is just one of his 'is it possible'?
At each of his junction points, this is true. It's amusing to listen to the whole dialog. But one must be honest and accept - one is not travelling with K. One has limitations, being aware of that limitation... in that one instance - one gas grasped - a bit.
One can take years and years - or....
Let me rewind K's dialogue, once more.
🐒phew...
Who decides what is possible ?
2020 Nepal
Head spinning 😫😫😫
Didn't get a damn thing 😶
Lofty abstractions
He doesn't have answer for every question.
❤️🙏
🙏
🙏🏻
Ramon is conditioned with 🙏🏻